All Tall Small Craps

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  • You are betting (34:1) that all the small (2,3,4,5,6) or tall (8,9,10,11,12) will roll before any seven. That includes any front line 7's. The all bet pays (175:1) and is a combo of the tall and small. I'd rather have the firebet payoff honestly, but this might be just as fun.
  • When Should I Buy the 5 & 9 Bet Instead of Placing Them? Players have the option to make either a Buy 5 or Place 5 bet, or a Buy 9 or a Place 9 bet. It confuses many players which of these wagers is a better option.

Its a place for all to enjoy each others knowledge and input. I will try to put a craps betting strategy tutorial up on Monday’s if possible. Craps ATS – ALL TALL SMALL Side Bet – Fun but hard side bet to try to win at craps! Casinos offering the Fire Bet in Craps Casinos are always mixing up their games, so it’s hard to keep tabs, especially since some casinos are removing the Fire Bet in exchange for another prop bet, the “All Tall Small” bet.

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Hello Wizards, My name is Justin and I am in demanding need for your expert help.
All tall small craps layoutI am faced with a very serious dilemma and need your expertise.
All Tall Small CrapsLast night along with many nights of playing craps I am encountering this situation 4 to 5 time per day.
Last night I wagered $100/$100/$100 on the bonus craps ALL TALL SMALL bet.
The TALL was made and I was paid $3000 and still up to win.
The SMALL had every number rolled accept for the 2 Crap.
All Tall Small CrapsNow the million dollar question?
I'm in the middle of a bridge with
* $18,000 on one side if the 2 gets rolled.
* $0 if the Seven gets rolled.
* Current point was 6 and it has been made and it's a new come out roll.
What do I do?
I've thought about and also tried HOP SEVENS for $500 each (1,6 - 2,5 - 3,4).
I've also thought about and tried betting the PASSLINE and COME bets.
I've also thought about but never tried $18,000 on DON'T PASS LINE + HOP SEVENS for $6000 ($2000 each) + Place all the numbers 4,5,6,8,9,10 for $2000 each (Max Bet).
I've wasted quite a few opportunities because I let it just go and the seven would wipe out the $18k opportunity.
I'm faced with this situation at least 1-5 times pretty much every time I play at the craps table and I feel I can cash in on this opportunity.
I need expert advise. What do I do?
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ChumpChange
Forget I posted this.
ChesterDog

...$18,000 on one side if the 2 gets rolled.
* $0 if the Seven gets rolled...What do I do?


I get it. If a 2 comes before a 7, then you win $15,000 for the Tall and $3,000 the Small. Or if a 7 happens before a 2, then you lose your $100 bet on the Tall and your $100 bet on the Small.
Here's the Wizard of Odd's 7th Commandment of Gambling, 'Thou shalt not hedge thy bets
Hedge bets usually carry a high house edge. For example, never take insurance in blackjack and never bet the any craps or any seven in craps. Exceptions can be made for insuring life changing amounts of money.'
I'm guessing a $18,200 swing is not a life changing amount for you.
However, if you are looking to hedge, I see your difficult situation because the hop bets are only good for one roll. You could lose many 7 hop bets in a row before the 2 or the 7 comes.
I guess pass and come with maximum odds is a better way to hedge than the hop bets on 7.
Edit: I got that wrong--pass with odds would not be a good hedge because a 7 out would cause the pass and the All bet to lose.
Last edited by: ChesterDog on May 1, 2019
fengshui
Exactly my dilemma.
I don't do any hedging when I gamble but then on the other hand, I am faced with this situation at many times a day when at casino.
I just feel I am missing something here. $18,000 or nothing.
I need wizard advise please promptly.
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DeMango
If allowed lay the 2. $12,000 to win $2,000 less vig, $100
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
GBAM
Don’t think this is crapless
Wizard
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Here's the Wizard of Odd's 7th Commandment of Gambling, 'Thou shalt not hedge thy bets.'
Hedge bets usually carry a high house edge. For example, never take insurance in blackjack and never bet the any craps or any seven in craps. Exceptions can be made for insuring life changing amounts of money.'


Exactly! I would do nothing. If this were a life changing amount of money, I suppose you could make a large bet on the don't pass or don't come and hop the totals of seven for the first roll. However, it will significantly deplete the expected value.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
unJonAll tall small craps odds
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Exactly! I would do nothing. If this were a life changing amount of money, I suppose you could make a large bet on the don't pass or don't come and hop the totals of seven for the first roll. However, it will significantly deplete the expected value.


Mostly agree with this. Expected value of this spot is $3k (the 1 in 6 chance that a two hits before a 7). Do you really want to try to lock in less than that? Boring.
If I was going to do it I would probably just keep hopping the 7s for $175 or $200 each rather than make a big don’t bet and risk a point coming. Terrible EV drag.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
fengshui
To do nothing 5 times in one day is fell like time passing me by with opportunity. There must be something. I've done nothing for days.
Feng shui is the ancient Chinese practice of placement and arrangement of space to achieve harmony with the environment.
fengshui

Mostly agree with this. Expected value of this spot is $3k (the 1 in 6 chance that a two hits before a 7). Do you really want to try to lock in less than that? Boring.
If I was going to do it I would probably just keep hopping the 7s for $175 or $200 each rather than make a big don’t bet and risk a point coming. Terrible EV drag.


I did what you say. I play hop 7 x 3 for $200 after 9 more times 7 came but no 2. I made out ok from other bets but this one with hop 7 is fell like small win but if I don bet this way I would have these bets in my tray. Max paying for hop 7 = 12000 for $2000 max table. Hop 7 bet = $800 maximum bet for each 7 set of 3.
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